They're a group that exists to monitor Shadow and Persona-related incidents, run by Mitsuru Kirijo.
It's likely that they may have existed within your world, but were unable to take decisive action due to a combination of Yaldabaoth and Shido's conspiracy, but I can't say with certainty.
They've had to lie low for similar reasons in my own world and have relied on me due to my status as a relatively unknown variable. Easier to station an undercover investigator when that investigator isn't a prolific public figure.
They came to Inaba during a crisis that nearly destroyed the world. It took our combined efforts to eliminate the threat and save everyone.
But considering Yaldabaoth, it's not all that surprising that their abilities are more limited.
The Shadow Operatives aren't corporate so much as a genuine desire for Persona users to operate 'legit.' Unfortunately, Kirijo-san's always met at least some opposition because sometimes the right thing to do isn't what Public Safety deems 'appropriate action,' and Kirijo-san always prioritizes doing what's right over playing by the rules.
[ ...That's fair enough, Ren supposes. If they sometimes intervened successfully. He has a hard time really believing it, though. All of that, and they still couldn't do shit for him and the Thieves. They still let this happen. ]
how's she still a CEO if she prioritizes doing what's right
She inherited the position after the death of her father.
Make no mistake. The legacy of the Kirijo Group is one drenched in darkness, in large part due to her grandfather, but that's precisely why she wishes to lead the Kirijo Group in a more altruistic direction, using the resources and knowledge she's gained from her harrowing life experiences to atone.
[It's respectable, if anything. Few people in positions of power would think to use their wealth and resources for such gain.]
In fact, it is the Kirijo Group under her leadership that ensured Wakaba Isshiki remained untouched by Shido after an encounter with Dr. Maruki left her near-catatonic.
The point is that I can equip you with a tool that can protect you outside of cognitive spaces. While I hope it won't be necessary to use it, I would rather use the resources at my disposal to aid you because I know that many of the people here will hold your actions harshly against you.
[ Yeah, Akechi's not fucking kidding about that. Ren wouldn't care that much, except that it would make Akechi—his Akechi—upset if something happened to him. He's even retained the memory that someone tried. ]
i would appreciate it i think sparrow would too if i could tell him abt it
[ His thumbs hover over the keypad. ]
why don't you? hold them harshly against me i mean is it really just bc maruki created the situation
[It's an excellent question. One that gives Crow pause. It's something even he's pondered since this Ren arrived.]
I've been through enough Persona and Shadow-related incidents to recognize patterns.
Beings with power taking advantage of one's feelings, whether for good or ill intent, and placing the burden of responsibility on the vulnerable or, at the very least, misleading them.
I'm also familiar enough with grief to understand that your choice was not one made lightly. You chose what you believed would save your Akechi, who likely did not see value in his life due to the severity of his crimes. Maruki likely knew he could use him as a bartering chip. Regardless of his "good intentions," he still placed the weight of the world on a teenager's shoulders.
To be frank, I think it's beyond fucked up that he would use a teenager's validation to determine the 'right' course of action.
So, while I'm not happy about Sparrow's state, particularly his Shadow, I also understand that your heart was in the right place and I believe Sparrow as he is now has a right to exist. I only wish that we could prevent him from having his 'episodes.'
[I think it's beyond fucked up that he would use a teenager's validation to determine the 'right' course of action. A full-body shudder wracks Ren's frame. He can't address that topic at all without having another breakdown, so he just skips over it. ]
he remembers them now like he doesn't remember what made him have the episode but he notices that he's had one apparently that's new?
[ Maybe that's progress. Ren wants it to be progress. ]
[Oh, well that's interesting. Certainly not something Crow expected to hear so soon, but any progress is a welcome sign.]
Yes. Usually he's unaware it's happened unless he's told.
So perhaps your presence here has sparked a change, however subtle. I'm glad to hear that he's at least gaining some awareness. I just wonder what we can do to get him to retain information regarding to Personas and the cognitive world.
i talked to a. goth haru ig who thought it could be done with psi personas she didn't want to do it herself but she said she could walk someone else through it so she knew a method? i think?
She's... I'm not sure if 'standard' Haru is the right word for it, but she did join the Phantom Thieves.
She's from a world without Maruki or Yoshizawa-san, however. She is at least familiar with both and aware of Sparrow's condition, as we have discussed it in the past.
You could always suggest that there's a way to remove the blankouts. With some outside help, it could finally help him exist without that disconnect between himself and others.
i can suggest it i thought he didn't want that though bc it would separate him from the people back home but i don't think he likes that i'm not like everyone else at home like, he can tell that i'm different here and it disturbs him i've been kind of scared to bring up the question, i don't want him to be sad
His inability to full comprehend what happens around him leads to people treating him differently and, as a result, leads to ostracization. This could be a chance for him to learn and understand. It doesn't mean he has to change back, but it can help him better comprehend his circumstances.
Because there was a time where he tried to rescue my younger self from Mikage-cho, and the mere sight of Raven's Persona rendered him motionless. One step in the wrong place is all it takes. It's how he got trapped in Tartarus as well.
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It's likely that they may have existed within your world, but were unable to take decisive action due to a combination of Yaldabaoth and Shido's conspiracy, but I can't say with certainty.
They've had to lie low for similar reasons in my own world and have relied on me due to my status as a relatively unknown variable. Easier to station an undercover investigator when that investigator isn't a prolific public figure.
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not a surprise if it's corporate
okumura foods-esque
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They came to Inaba during a crisis that nearly destroyed the world. It took our combined efforts to eliminate the threat and save everyone.
But considering Yaldabaoth, it's not all that surprising that their abilities are more limited.
The Shadow Operatives aren't corporate so much as a genuine desire for Persona users to operate 'legit.' Unfortunately, Kirijo-san's always met at least some opposition because sometimes the right thing to do isn't what Public Safety deems 'appropriate action,' and Kirijo-san always prioritizes doing what's right over playing by the rules.
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how's she still a CEO if she prioritizes doing what's right
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Make no mistake. The legacy of the Kirijo Group is one drenched in darkness, in large part due to her grandfather, but that's precisely why she wishes to lead the Kirijo Group in a more altruistic direction, using the resources and knowledge she's gained from her harrowing life experiences to atone.
[It's respectable, if anything. Few people in positions of power would think to use their wealth and resources for such gain.]
In fact, it is the Kirijo Group under her leadership that ensured Wakaba Isshiki remained untouched by Shido after an encounter with Dr. Maruki left her near-catatonic.
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if you say so
ig it doesn't matter in my world
i kind of got us off track, sorry
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The point is that I can equip you with a tool that can protect you outside of cognitive spaces. While I hope it won't be necessary to use it, I would rather use the resources at my disposal to aid you because I know that many of the people here will hold your actions harshly against you.
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i would appreciate it
i think sparrow would too if i could tell him abt it
[ His thumbs hover over the keypad. ]
why don't you?
hold them harshly against me i mean
is it really just bc maruki created the situation
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I've been through enough Persona and Shadow-related incidents to recognize patterns.
Beings with power taking advantage of one's feelings, whether for good or ill intent, and placing the burden of responsibility on the vulnerable or, at the very least, misleading them.
I'm also familiar enough with grief to understand that your choice was not one made lightly. You chose what you believed would save your Akechi, who likely did not see value in his life due to the severity of his crimes. Maruki likely knew he could use him as a bartering chip. Regardless of his "good intentions," he still placed the weight of the world on a teenager's shoulders.
To be frank, I think it's beyond fucked up that he would use a teenager's validation to determine the 'right' course of action.
So, while I'm not happy about Sparrow's state, particularly his Shadow, I also understand that your heart was in the right place and I believe Sparrow as he is now has a right to exist. I only wish that we could prevent him from having his 'episodes.'
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he remembers them now
like
he doesn't remember what made him have the episode but he notices that he's had one
apparently that's new?
[ Maybe that's progress. Ren wants it to be progress. ]
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Yes. Usually he's unaware it's happened unless he's told.
So perhaps your presence here has sparked a change, however subtle. I'm glad to hear that he's at least gaining some awareness. I just wonder what we can do to get him to retain information regarding to Personas and the cognitive world.
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who thought it could be done with psi personas
she didn't want to do it herself but she said she could walk someone else through it
so she knew a method? i think?
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You could say that Crow referred you, that you've spoken to Rose, and that you wish to help Sparrow with his memory retention.
If she's not comfortable, I do have a fairly powerful psi user, though I've admittedly never used Kohryu's power in such a capacity.
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what's noir's story?
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She's from a world without Maruki or Yoshizawa-san, however. She is at least familiar with both and aware of Sparrow's condition, as we have discussed it in the past.
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helping to fix an akechi
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he seemed upset about them actually
so he might not be interested in more
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i thought he didn't want that though
bc it would separate him from the people back home
but i don't think he likes that i'm not like everyone else at home
like, he can tell that i'm different here and it disturbs him
i've been kind of scared to bring up the question, i don't want him to be sad
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His inability to full comprehend what happens around him leads to people treating him differently and, as a result, leads to ostracization. This could be a chance for him to learn and understand. It doesn't mean he has to change back, but it can help him better comprehend his circumstances.
Because there was a time where he tried to rescue my younger self from Mikage-cho, and the mere sight of Raven's Persona rendered him motionless. One step in the wrong place is all it takes. It's how he got trapped in Tartarus as well.
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ok i'll ask
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By the way, where should I deliver the Evoker? I can have that ready for you at any time, once I know the apartment.
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